Interview with Supreme Master Ching Hai by El Quintanarroense Newspaper, P3/4 - Dec. 11, 2010 Cancun, Mexico    
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*What was your participation in COP?

I just sit and listen and, of course, I take notes and then sometimes I “boo!” sometimes I clapped. Just joking. I never boo; I only clap.

*What did COP16 produce?

I told you, at least they cooperate. Probably it's just one step further, at least, because I heard from the panel that Copenhagen was a real flop, and I heard also from the panel's people there, COP people there, that people lost trust in each other.. So, even this time Japan and the United States did not want to participate - in some areas, they did not want to cooperate - but last night, everybody clapped, and happy, and the president of the COP received, two times, standing ovation, because she is really cool. But even if the whole package - they called it Cancún Package - even if it's not perfect, it's not all her fault anyway.
Not the president's fault. She has to incorporate all the people's, all the nations' agreement or ideas, and make complements and concessions here and there. Well, I'm just glad that they work together, at least. Well, I don't really like the idea that we have to wait another 12 months for more progress. I want to save my planet yesterday already, but what can we do? We have many nations, many leaders, and many ideas and many non-ideas. So, that's that. I would have been happier, more contented, more happy, if they just say, straightforward, “Okay, meat industry has to stop and we will use all the land for organic vegan, vegetables,” then I will breathe out, release, relief. I would say, “Okay, we really can save the planet now.” But as for now, we are all still in suspense, even if Cancún already has the package.

*In reference to the oil spill in the Gulf of México, how many years will it take to come back to normal?

I don't have an idea.

*Is the damage irreversible?

Not completely. It can never… When you broke a glass, even if you fixed it, it's never the same. Takes a long, long, long time for nature to replenish. The thing is, it's not only the oil leak,  we saturate the Gulf or the ocean with all kinds of other chemicals - runoff from the animals industry, from the waste of the animals, many other things -   and then we will destroy the ocean altogether. Many big parts of the ocean are already destroyed, as I mentioned before. “Dead zones” they call it. And other zones, they're growing this kind of green algae, even a horse just breathed in and he died immediately. A horse! - bigger than us and stronger.

*Wow! Where are those kinds of dead zones?

Some in Europe, some elsewhere. But the way we are doing, it will grow everywhere. We're really killing ourselves, slowly or quickly. Apart from that, we have other things - hurricanes, El Nino and earthquakes and… All because we disturb the pattern of nature, we disturb the ecosystem. Because one thing leads to another, you know? Like chemical runoff and waste produce the algae bloom, the green algae, and also kill the marine life, create dead zones, and then in turn poison us. Yes?
And also warm up the planet, causing droughts and flood and trouble. People are also dying - die quick or die slow, dying. More than 300,000 people die every year because of climate change alone. It will be more, more and more.  As the climate gets worse, more people will die, not just by poison but by disaster, which is caused by methane gas and other gases from the animal industry.   This is the situation of our planet that you have asked me before.

*Okay, it's difficult. Is there any country that generates a larger percentage of methane gas because of the livestock industry?

Yes, you can look into which country has more factory farming, animal factory farming, where they house like 5,000, 10,000 animals in just a few buildings, you understand? They're squeezing together in small crates like this, for example, they could not even turn around. Eat there, sleep there, filth there, everything! And they could not even turn, all their life. Look into these countries.
And also, even if they let them out in the open, also very, very crowded, many of thousands of them. You can't even see all with your eyes, because it's so vast, the field. The more meat people eat in that country, or export it, the more pollution they produce, and the more heat-trapping gas they produce to warm up the climate. You would know it.

*Because of the population, I think it would be United States, or China.

But they spread out to other countries now, even like Indonesia. Now they also have such factory farming, and then all the waste of the animals... Okay, here, I have some info for you. For example, here,  the livestock industry emits also 64% of all ammonia, which causes acid rain and hydrogen sulphide - it is a very fatal gas.   The birds come eat the bread. Look at that. Do you see that? You want to look at the bird?

*I can see them through the mirror.

Okay, from the window only. Don't scare them away, or you can sit by the window. That's smart. They eat the bread and drink the water that I provide. I am so sorry that I have to leave and nobody feeds them anymore. But they will live; it's just for friendship. Okay.

*But they will come to look for you.

I know. I will tell them goodbye. And there's another thing here. Very scary.  Like one animal factory farm produces more waste and pollution than the whole city of Houston, Texas, in the USA,   not to talk about all the chemicals, fertilizers, pesticides, antibiotics that run into our water that we drink. Yes, even if we filter it, how much can we always avoid because the chemical is not like dirt that you can filter it. Not like sand that you can take the sand out. Chemicals, fertilizers, these substances they just diluted in water.
I don't think we can filter them all. And sometimes like mercury and all that, the fish eat them and we eat the fish, and many people die because of that, or sick, seriously sick. They don't have taste, they don't have color - you can't even detect them. If you eat the fish with the mercury or some other toxin, you will never feel like it's not the fish. You feel, like, the same. No taste, no color. Many more, I can't just have it all right now, but you look into We list them all.
The hydrogen sulphide is deadly, for example, from the animal farms. Just 1000 part per million, and one inhalation, you die.  And here, for example, in 1996, the US cattle, pork, and poultry industries produced 1.4 billion tons of animal waste in one year. That is 130 times more than the whole entire human population produces altogether.   We don't produce as much waste as just animals, pigs, and cattle, and poultry in the United States, the whole entire population on the Earth, the world population.
The animals, only in the United States, one year, produce 130 times more than the whole population on the planet, humans. Imagine how much methane they emit, and nitrous oxide and hydrogen sulphide, etc., and many other gases they can't find out yet. People who live near a poultry farm or a pork farm, they got sick: they got asthma, they got heart problem, dizziness, headache… Yes. All the lagoons, like lakes that they… man-made lakes they dig to house all this waste from the animals, they produce deadly contaminated flies and other insects, and people live around there, they cannot live anymore.
Even like one mile around it, or one kilometer at least around it, the smell is terrible. And all the flies and insects are covering all their houses and windows. It looks so black. We have it on TV, on our TV. And where all this waste comes from? It's from our tax-paying, even. Taxpayer's money, yes, because the government subsidizes the animal industry a lot of money; otherwise a hamburger would cost from $30 to $100, or $200 even, not $1 like in the fast food industry it sells. Yes. So, it will cost $30 to $200, US dollars, instead. And now it costs only 99 cents - we just say $1.

And everybody thinks it's so cheap. Cheap!? Your money! Yes, the government uses it to subsidize the meat industry, because sometimes they don't have enough money to sustain. Because people don't buy it and then the government buys it and gives them the money, and gives them more, more than just the meat value. Because sometimes, like, after disease or epidemic, people suddenly don't eat meat and they just stop buying. Then the meat industry loses money, and the government gives more money - more all the time.
Even without disease, the government always gives subsidies to the meat industry. So, you see, if we use those subsidies, millions and millions of dollars, give to farmers to turn into organic vegetable farming. Yes, give them training. They're very easy to grow, vegetables,  especially organic vegetables. Less work, less water, more produce, and no pollution - minimum pollution to our water and air - absorb CO2 and healthy for the planet and for the people.   No contamination for water and regulate the atmosphere again, so we don't have hurricanes, we don't have El Ninos, we don't have earthquakes, we don't have floods, we don't have droughts again. Everything balanced again. This is scientifically speaking.
For my vision, I know it's more than just that,  because if we kill, we get harm also. Anything we harm, we will have to pay. That's the law of the universe. Anything we love will benefit us. Anything we harm will hurt us.   Just like the national law, if you injure somebody you have to pay for him to get doctors, medicine, and more, depends. So we all have car insurance in case, you see?
For example. If we even accidently we hit somebody and hurt him, we have to pay. Some cases we even go to prison or be executed if we kill someone. In the future, if we kill the animals I think we will also get punished by law. Actually, there are some countries already beginning to do some part of that, like for example in Italy. They have a very good law to protect animals. If you have animals as pets, anybody, any landlord, has no right to refuse you to rent his house.

*It's part of the family.

Yes, yes. Yes. So if you refuse to rent him a house he can sue you. And even cars running on the street and hit the wild animals, they have to compensate, or take care of the animals, to the hospital or something, because if they're caught not taking care of the animal, wild animal, if accidently or something, they'll be fined. So you have to take care of the animal if you hit or injure the animal. That's the law in Italy. See? We're getting better. I like that kind of country. Bravo! Viva Italia!
I think there are many more countries but maybe I don't know about it, or maybe they are doing it and not completely implemented yet the law, similar law. Yes, I don't remember it all now. Or maybe I do not know all of them. That is what I call “civilized nation,” “civilized people.” Not because you're rich and you have cars, you have a big house and you're civilized. A civilized country you can see by the way they are treating each other or treating the less defensive, the defenseless animals - means their consciousness is high. Because the animals, they are so defenseless, they're so sweet.
They don't do any harm, and we just go - and because we are stronger and we have technique, we have all kind of means - just kill them, just to eat!  But everybody knows that killing animals is not right, I think, yes. That's why they cannot kill it and eat it themselves.   I mean, most people, the majority of the people, cannot just catch a chicken and cut its throat and eat it. Just because the chicken is already made into small pieces, it doesn't look like anything, like living chicken Like a fish, the fish they make like this. This is a fake fish, but the real fish is also similar like this, and people don't even see that it's a fish.
Or meat, yes, meat, they put into small, small pieces so you don't even connect it with a real life. So they're all being cheated Most people would feed the birds and love the birds in the garden, feed them, but how would they have the heart to tear the legs off the chicken and eat it? Just delusion, and also habit and wrong information. When we were young , everybody said “you have to eat meat or you cannot grow up, or you'll sick.” It's nothing more contrary to that. It's the opposite!
 Meat causes a lot of illnesses,  but vegetarian saves life. People who are vegan, they live up to 15 years longer than the others.   Fifteen years to see your child grow up to 15 years old, at least, or to enjoy your retirement. What's the use of getting the retirement money and drop dead? Or having terrible disease that you cannot enjoy it? Okay, any more questions or you are tired now?

*No, no. In a bit I have to go back to the newspaper editing desk to write. Yes, I enjoyed it very much.

I'm glad.

*Are the websites and all that in the book?


*I'll see that part to consult it.

Yes, yes. It's all free to download. Use it anytime please, for the public. Use it to write many different articles, not just one, not just today. You write it yourself. (*Yes.) Yes, of course.

*Do you have any e-mail to send you information and to send you greetings now and then?

Yes, yes. You can send it to the Supreme Master TV. We have heartline, or we have email. You can express also your thought on our TV if you write it.

*Oh yes? Very good.

If you want to say something, you just write it and we air it, or you talk into digital and we will air it, with your picture or not with picture.

*You can see a lot of generosity from her.
*She is always like that.
*And a lot of transparency, in her eyes.

Beer, no alcohol. Okay? You can drink. Very tasty. No need alcohol, no need cigarette, no need meat - we have everything. Okay. Because you're a good boy.

*Between the “champagne” and “beer,” I think I will end up very “drunk.”

Yes. I know. Drunk with love, not with alcohol. You see how tasty? No alcohol, zero.

*Yes, very refreshing!

I love.

*I feel lucky that I was assigned to this interview.

*Yes, it's what I like about my job, to get to know such interesting people.

Yes, there are many interesting people. I also study a little bit of journalism, but I never use it. I feel it's a very interesting job. If I don't have this business I'd probably be a journalist, yes. To inform people, I like. But in a way, I'm also a journalist - television. I also do research on news and different topics to give to the Supreme Master Television to air.


I don't interview people, but I collect information. I'm not the only one; we have a team. We have different countries' people collect it and then we inform people. The television's team, they're very good. I contribute only a little part. But, I like one part very much - it's about journalists. Before the news time every day, you will see the paragraph that I wrote - I wrote, but it has no name.

*Okay, I will watch it.

Because I appreciate. I know journalists' reporting job is very, very tough, and some areas are dangerous,

*Yes, of course.

So I wrote, I say, “We thank all the journalist, reporters, companies, individuals, everywhere for all the news that help the planet, uplifting the atmosphere of our planet, benefit the animals and humans, and may Heaven bless you on your duty, protect you while you are working.”

*Thank you.

Something like that. So every time we broadcast the news, this sentence goes the first and the last, because I appreciate the journalistic work.

*Thank you.

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